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		<title>By: kittenthebad</title>
		<link>http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2009/11/05/great-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a much more detailed definition of efficiency!! I was thinking more of efficient in terms of those courses where you know a lot for the exam, but you don&#039;t understand it so you&#039;ve forgotten it all by the following semester. I think for CS, effectiveness - understanding - is way more important, because the details change constantly anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a much more detailed definition of efficiency!! I was thinking more of efficient in terms of those courses where you know a lot for the exam, but you don&#8217;t understand it so you&#8217;ve forgotten it all by the following semester. I think for CS, effectiveness &#8211; understanding &#8211; is way more important, because the details change constantly anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenthebad</title>
		<link>http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2009/11/05/great-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
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		<description>That&#039;s a much more detailed definition of efficiency!! I was thinking more of efficient in terms of those courses where you know a lot for the exam, but you don&#039;t understand it so you&#039;ve forgotten it all by the following semester. I think for CS, effectiveness - understanding - is way more important, because the details change constantly anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a much more detailed definition of efficiency!! I was thinking more of efficient in terms of those courses where you know a lot for the exam, but you don&#8217;t understand it so you&#8217;ve forgotten it all by the following semester. I think for CS, effectiveness &#8211; understanding &#8211; is way more important, because the details change constantly anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: dwonis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to my last post: &quot;If the students don’t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure about that.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that.</p>
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		<title>By: dwonis</title>
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		<description>Correction to my last post: &quot;If the students don’t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to my last post: &#8220;If the students don’t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about that.</p>
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		<title>By: dwonis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto the number of excellent professors you had.

I think you&#039;re right about what makes for effective teaching, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a real difference between effective teaching and efficient teaching.

I&#039;ll loosely define education efficiency as something like this:

  education efficiency = amount of information retained * relevance factor / total resource cost

I&#039;m not sure if &quot;information retained&quot; is the best measure here, but I&#039;ll use it anyway to illustrate my point.

Total resource cost here includes time, money, mental energy, thermodynamic energy, and other scarce resources spent by the teacher, all the students, the institution, etc.

Note that both the &quot;information retained&quot; and &quot;resource cost&quot; factors are aggregates, not averages, so if one professor wastes an hour of 20 students&#039;s time, then he&#039;s really wasted 21 hours, plus the money those 20 students could have made working at McDonald&#039;s, plus the money the institution could have spent toward a better professor.

Defining efficiency this way leads to some interesting consequences:

- Efficiency goes up when students retain more information, but only to the extent that the information is relevant.

- Because there are many students per teacher, a teacher who spends an extra hour preparing a lecture that saves each student 1 hour is more efficient than one tho does not.

- When resources are spent on making students retain irrelevant information, efficiency goes down.  If the students don&#039;t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.

- Work that does not appreciably increase retention of relevant information lowers efficiency.

- Lectures that are boring, which result in low relevant information retention, have a fairly high resource cost (since you have to count the time spent by the instructor *and* each student attending the lecture).

- Choosing a better textbook saves students time, thus increasing efficiency.  Choosing a worse textbook that is also expensive wastes students&#039; time *and* money, decreasing efficiency.  Requiring that students purchase a textbook that they subsequently never use decreases efficiency.

- The larger the classes, the more important it is that the students&#039; time, money, and other resources not be wasted.

I could go on, but that&#039;s the idea, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto the number of excellent professors you had.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about what makes for effective teaching, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a real difference between effective teaching and efficient teaching.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll loosely define education efficiency as something like this:</p>
<p>  education efficiency = amount of information retained * relevance factor / total resource cost</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if &#8220;information retained&#8221; is the best measure here, but I&#8217;ll use it anyway to illustrate my point.</p>
<p>Total resource cost here includes time, money, mental energy, thermodynamic energy, and other scarce resources spent by the teacher, all the students, the institution, etc.</p>
<p>Note that both the &#8220;information retained&#8221; and &#8220;resource cost&#8221; factors are aggregates, not averages, so if one professor wastes an hour of 20 students&#8217;s time, then he&#8217;s really wasted 21 hours, plus the money those 20 students could have made working at McDonald&#8217;s, plus the money the institution could have spent toward a better professor.</p>
<p>Defining efficiency this way leads to some interesting consequences:</p>
<p>- Efficiency goes up when students retain more information, but only to the extent that the information is relevant.</p>
<p>- Because there are many students per teacher, a teacher who spends an extra hour preparing a lecture that saves each student 1 hour is more efficient than one tho does not.</p>
<p>- When resources are spent on making students retain irrelevant information, efficiency goes down.  If the students don&#8217;t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.</p>
<p>- Work that does not appreciably increase retention of relevant information lowers efficiency.</p>
<p>- Lectures that are boring, which result in low relevant information retention, have a fairly high resource cost (since you have to count the time spent by the instructor *and* each student attending the lecture).</p>
<p>- Choosing a better textbook saves students time, thus increasing efficiency.  Choosing a worse textbook that is also expensive wastes students&#8217; time *and* money, decreasing efficiency.  Requiring that students purchase a textbook that they subsequently never use decreases efficiency.</p>
<p>- The larger the classes, the more important it is that the students&#8217; time, money, and other resources not be wasted.</p>
<p>I could go on, but that&#8217;s the idea, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: dwonis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto the number of excellent professors you had.

I think you&#039;re right about what makes for effective teaching, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a real difference between effective teaching and efficient teaching.

I&#039;ll loosely define education efficiency as something like this:

  education efficiency = amount of information retained * relevance factor / total resource cost

I&#039;m not sure if &quot;information retained&quot; is the best measure here, but I&#039;ll use it anyway to illustrate my point.

Total resource cost here includes time, money, mental energy, thermodynamic energy, and other scarce resources spent by the teacher, all the students, the institution, etc.

Note that both the &quot;information retained&quot; and &quot;resource cost&quot; factors are aggregates, not averages, so if one professor wastes an hour of 20 students&#039;s time, then he&#039;s really wasted 21 hours, plus the money those 20 students could have made working at McDonald&#039;s, plus the money the institution could have spent toward a better professor.

Defining efficiency this way leads to some interesting consequences:

- Efficiency goes up when students retain more information, but only to the extent that the information is relevant.

- Because there are many students per teacher, a teacher who spends an extra hour preparing a lecture that saves each student 1 hour is more efficient than one tho does not.

- When resources are spent on making students retain irrelevant information, efficiency goes down.  If the students don&#039;t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.

- Work that does not appreciably increase retention of relevant information lowers efficiency.

- Lectures that are boring, which result in low relevant information retention, have a fairly high resource cost (since you have to count the time spent by the instructor *and* each student attending the lecture).

- Choosing a better textbook saves students time, thus increasing efficiency.  Choosing a worse textbook that is also expensive wastes students&#039; time *and* money, decreasing efficiency.  Requiring that students purchase a textbook that they subsequently never use decreases efficiency.

- The larger the classes, the more important it is that the students&#039; time, money, and other resources not be wasted.

I could go on, but that&#039;s the idea, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto the number of excellent professors you had.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about what makes for effective teaching, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a real difference between effective teaching and efficient teaching.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll loosely define education efficiency as something like this:</p>
<p>  education efficiency = amount of information retained * relevance factor / total resource cost</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if &#8220;information retained&#8221; is the best measure here, but I&#8217;ll use it anyway to illustrate my point.</p>
<p>Total resource cost here includes time, money, mental energy, thermodynamic energy, and other scarce resources spent by the teacher, all the students, the institution, etc.</p>
<p>Note that both the &#8220;information retained&#8221; and &#8220;resource cost&#8221; factors are aggregates, not averages, so if one professor wastes an hour of 20 students&#8217;s time, then he&#8217;s really wasted 21 hours, plus the money those 20 students could have made working at McDonald&#8217;s, plus the money the institution could have spent toward a better professor.</p>
<p>Defining efficiency this way leads to some interesting consequences:</p>
<p>- Efficiency goes up when students retain more information, but only to the extent that the information is relevant.</p>
<p>- Because there are many students per teacher, a teacher who spends an extra hour preparing a lecture that saves each student 1 hour is more efficient than one tho does not.</p>
<p>- When resources are spent on making students retain irrelevant information, efficiency goes down.  If the students don&#8217;t even retain the irrelevant information, efficiency goes down even more.</p>
<p>- Work that does not appreciably increase retention of relevant information lowers efficiency.</p>
<p>- Lectures that are boring, which result in low relevant information retention, have a fairly high resource cost (since you have to count the time spent by the instructor *and* each student attending the lecture).</p>
<p>- Choosing a better textbook saves students time, thus increasing efficiency.  Choosing a worse textbook that is also expensive wastes students&#8217; time *and* money, decreasing efficiency.  Requiring that students purchase a textbook that they subsequently never use decreases efficiency.</p>
<p>- The larger the classes, the more important it is that the students&#8217; time, money, and other resources not be wasted.</p>
<p>I could go on, but that&#8217;s the idea, anyway.</p>
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